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[BASIC DESIGN] [讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

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发表于 2005-12-8 18:35:20 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自 北京
进入2006了,新接的油船燃油舱应该都是双壳了吧~这个内壳到底该是什么形式的呢?

想来有三种选择:

1,类hull,就是直接把hull向内偏移一定距离,这是我第一想到的,因为napa里这样做最简单,呵呵,懒啊,对设计来说,这种最简单,但施工起来应该挺复杂的

2,类货舱区内壳板,选择好一定斜率,然后就折吧,这种方法不好,很浪费舱容,原因大家都知道,折来折去就飞了,因为斜率不能变.而且船尾机舱区线型变化复杂,更是不好弄

3,类阶梯型,就是把燃油舱区域比如#30~#50,每三四个肋位分成一段,然后用平行于x轴的面在b平台和c平台折两折就够了,每段儿都这么弄,很像一个阶梯形,这样施工起来应该最简单吧,因为下料时,都是规矩的板,但刚才想到一个问题,一号燃油舱和二号燃油舱之间的舱壁结构蛮复杂的,这种形式的内壳仿佛并不能有效的减低施工难度

不知道众位接触到的油船燃油舱内壳是什么样的
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发表于 2005-12-17 16:17:17 | 显示全部楼层 来自 上海卢湾区
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发表于 2006-1-6 20:10:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自 浙江宁波

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

沥青船的燃油舱也要壳吗
发表于 2006-3-15 17:37:03 | 显示全部楼层 来自 上海徐汇区

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

无论如何,内壳不应该用曲面
发表于 2006-3-16 08:24:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自 华南理工大学

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

进入2006?
JTP对于燃油舱也有双壳的要求么?
我前一阵一直都在查JTP
始终也没有找到相关的部分
也查阅了MARPOL的13F
也没有对燃油舱有双壳的要求
只是对货油舱区域有双壳的要求

××

能和我们详细说说么?
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-19 11:23:56 | 显示全部楼层 来自 江苏苏州

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

嗯,几天没来原来有回帖了

说2006不过是个含糊的时间而已

关于hfo双壳,劳氏规范中有要求,最新的marpol 13a也有要求,前者要求1.5米,后者要求1.0米。前者什么时候生效的我也不清楚,不过规范修改时间为2003年;后者 要求时间 为2007年8月,不过做为初步设计也应该考虑这个问题了。
发表于 2006-3-19 13:44:12 | 显示全部楼层 来自 江苏无锡

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

×× wrote:
嗯,几天没来原来有回帖了

说2006不过是个含糊的时间而已

关于hfo双壳,劳氏规范中有要求,最新的marpol 13a也有要求,前者要求1.5米,后者要求1.0米。前者什么时候生效的我也不清楚,不过规范修改时间为2003年;后者 要求时间 为2007年8月,不过做为初步设计也应该考虑这个问题了。
你有没有注意到这是适用于多少DWT的?有一个分界的,并不都是你说的这些值,需要计算的!
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-19 13:49:07 | 显示全部楼层 来自 江苏苏州

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

嗯,我说的是我手头上这条船应满足的数值

门槛仿佛是hfo总量超过3k
发表于 2006-3-19 15:57:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自 华南理工大学

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

楼上的
我按照你说的
查了13A
发现13A是‘对设置清洁压载舱的油船的要求’
和你说的HFO双壳根本不搭界的啊
你说的LR的要求
我也没有查到
而且
我查了JTP
里面对HFO也没有双壳的要求啊

您可不可以说得详细一点呢?
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-19 19:20:55 | 显示全部楼层 来自 江苏苏州

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

lr里你搜supplementary characters,仿佛在哪个里面的3.6.1内,具体记不清楚了,家里电脑没有关于船舶的资料。

13a的是上次nk过来讲课时给的资料里写的,应该不会错,嗯,就是这样。

另:clean里也有这个要求,不过一般船舶不要这个证书
发表于 2006-3-20 08:12:05 | 显示全部楼层 来自 华南理工大学

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

楼上的
我查阅的你说的LR
没有找到你所说的那个部分

而且
我又重新查阅了MARPOL
13A里是肯定没有你说的那个部分的
13F里面却很明确得说
‘整个货油舱区域长度应由下述压载舱或非货油舱和燃油舱处所加以保护’

既然燃油舱都要求双壳了
为什么还会允许使用燃油舱对货油舱进行保护呢?

我倒是听说
如果要求加有‘绿色环保’证书的船舶
是有这类要求的
比如外高桥的17.5WDWT散货船
他们的燃油舱设在顶边舱内,而且和舷外有管隧舱隔离。

楼上的,
能贴个你说的LR的相关部分上来么?
我们也好学习一下啊
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-20 20:17:31 | 显示全部楼层 来自 江苏苏州

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

挺不好办的,公司USB口封了,我家里电脑内没有这些东西,你给lr上海那边打电话问吧,找应辉他们一问便知。

和‘绿色环保’证书的差别是‘绿色环保’证书要求更高,和舷侧距离要大于2米,lr的要求是1.5米,marpol要求是1米,嗯
发表于 2006-3-21 10:18:32 | 显示全部楼层 来自 江苏无锡

Re:[讨论]油船燃油舱双壳形式

关于油船双壳的问题,是MARPOL 13F 13G的相应要求,在没有新的要求出来前,船级社仍然按IMO现行要求进行法定检验。
目前只有对油舱货舱区域的双壳要求,也就是从艏防撞舱壁至机舱前舱壁这一区域内要求设双壳,对于机舱区域是没有要求的。
但是,目前还有些国家对HFO舱提出了一些看法,认为那些大船的HFO甚至可能比小船的货油还要多,事故造成的危害比小船要大的多,因此对于HFO舱提出是否也要加双壳,但好象这个还没有由IMO正式颁布,所以我认为目前还是没有对HFO双壳的强制要求吧。

INTERNATIONAL MARITIME ORGANIZATION

IMO

E

SUB-COMMITTEE ON SHIP DESIGN AND
EQUIPMENT
47th session
Agenda item 6
DE 47/6/3
22 December 2003
Original: ENGLISH
PROTECTION OF FUEL TANKS

Double hull formulation

Submitted by Germany
SUMMARY
Executive summary:
This document includes a proposal for relevant criteria for the
protection of fuel oil tanks based on the on the principles of the
probabilistic oil outflow methodology (revised MARPOL Annex I,
regulation 21).
Action to be taken:
Paragraph 10
Related documents:
DE 46/29; DE 46/INF.4; and MEPC 49/16/6
Background
1 Large commercial ships often carry quantities of fuel that are greater than the lower limit of MARPOL 73/78, Annex I, regulation 13F or 13G requirements for the protection of cargo
tanks of oil tankers. Germany therefore agrees and supports that practicable and reasonable measures should be identified and implemented for the protection of fuel tanks against collision and stranding. In the aftermath of the Erika in 2001 the matter was taken up by the MSC and included in the work programme of the DE Sub-Committee.
2 In order to promote a discussion on this issue, a document had been submitted by the Netherlands to DE 46 for relevant new MARPOL requirements in respect of double hull protecting larger bunker tanks. The Netherlands’ proposal (DE 46/29) is based on the formulae used in MARPOL Annex I, regulation 13F and calculates the minimum width of double hull at ship’s sides as a function of the deadweight of the vessel.
3 Germany strongly supports the need for this kind of measure to ensure marine environmental protection from the spillage of oil by fuel tanks. The formulation of such requirement, however, should be made based on a more sophisticated formulation than the earlier proposal to allow for a more sophisticated approach covering all kinds of ship types rather than only oil tankers. This can be achieved by making use of the hypothetical oil outflow parameter as recently developed for the revised MARPOL Annex I.DE 47/6/3 Problem
4 As mentioned above, Germany supports the proposed measure. Any formulation based on deadweight, however, in defining a required width of a double hull for bunker tanks is considered problematic for a number of reasons. Some of these are mentioned in the following to illustrate the problems with the recently proposed formula:
.1 Deadweight is significantly depending on ship types. Any bulk carrier with 20,000 dwt, 600 m³ bunker fuel tanks and a speed of 14 knots may have more or less the same main dimensions as a passenger ferry with only 5,000 dwt, but a speed of 25 knots and 2,000 m³ bunker fuel tanks. With a double hull requirement based solely on deadweight, the bunker fuel tanks of the bulker would have to be protected to a greater extent than the larger ones of the ferry. This does not seem feasible.
.2 Any conversion of a built vessel would become rather difficult. For example, the lengthening of a vessel, the removal of unused cargo equipment (cranes), the construction of so-called “ducktails” and several other nowadays typical conversions leading to a possibly substantial alteration in deadweight (in most cases this is the task of such conversions) would become more or less impracticable, due to limitations of deadweight by the built width of the fitted double shell of bunker fuel tanks. If deadweight were to govern the size of the double shell width, this would significantly impair the conversion market. Additionally, this would also apply in cases of mere draught increases.
.3 Identical sister ships may differ in the lightship weight by more than one percent, due to changes in design of supplied equipment, tolerances in steel plate thickness and a lot of other reasons outside the responsibility of the yard. If deadweight were to govern the size of the double shell width, it will cause problems in ship designs.
.4 Basing fuel oil tank protection requirements on deadweight would generally reduce the flexibility in design within a series of ships. Within a series of ships some sister vessels might be built with a higher ice class standards, others without. Some vessels will be equipped with cargo gears, others not, etc. All these rather small differences will have impact on deadweight and they sum up. Today this is common procedure to built and employ such sister ships. In future such small changes to the construction, equipment or operation of any vessel may necessitate additional changes of the interior design of a vessel, if bunker fuel tank protection requirements were to be based on deadweight.
.5 In design stages there is also the problem of the accuracy of light ship weight estimation. When building a new first vessel, the design (workshop drawings, especially for equipment and machinery) and the construction of the first vessel is going more or less parallel. Due to this the yard is making a weight estimation of the whole vessel at the beginning of the project. This estimation is more or less accurate and will be amended through its construction. Some times the light ship weight will be overestimated. Today, this would result in additional deadweight, and the vessel will be considered a more efficient design due to its higher earning capacity. If fuel oil tank protection requirements were based on deadweight it would create a problem in this respect.
5 Any double hull requirement for very small oil tanks [<30 m³] is considered to be problematic as well. A lot of small operationally required tanks must be fitted in the double bottom of engine-room at the lowest point of a system (for example lubrication oil circulation tanks, drain tanks, etc.). If double hull will be required for this kind of very small oil tanks, the design of engine-rooms must be changed significantly, engine-rooms would become
inadequately larger.
Worked example
6 On a German ship yard a number of ships, admittedly the sample consist of different sizes of tankers, have already been built with fuel tank protection even though there is not yet any requirement in place for fuel tanks on tankers not located within the cargo tank length. In the annex details of built ships are presented as an example.
Proposal
7 MEPC 42 has approved guidelines that describe the procedures for obtaining approval of alternative tanker designs to double hull standards on the basis of probabilistic outflow performance standards. MEPC 49 has also approved a simplified outflow analysis approach to replace the current hypothetical outflow regulations 22 to 24 of MARPOL Annex I.
8 Adopting a performance-based criterion such as the proposed approach based on the principles of the probabilistic oil outflow methodology gives the designer and future operator the freedom to optimise the fuel tank arrangement with regard to requirements of design and operational considerations, while assuring an environmentally sound standard taking into account
the specific tank sizes and their location relating to the overall risk.
9 Germany therefore proposes that a performance-based standard be developed based on an approach as described in the two related MARPOL requirements, i.e. the guidelines developed for MARPOL Annex I, regulation 13(7) and the revised hypothetical outflow regulations 22 to 24 of MARPOL Annex I.
Action requested of the Sub-Committee  
10 The Sub-Committee is invited to note the above information and take action as considered appropriate.
***
发表于 2006-5-9 00:07:05 | 显示全部楼层 来自 辽宁葫芦岛
原帖由 jorgenhojmann 于 2006-3-16 08:24 发表
进入2006?
JTP对于燃油舱也有双壳的要求么?
我前一阵一直都在查JTP
始终也没有找到相关的部分
也查阅了MARPOL的13F
也没有对燃油舱有双壳的要求
只是对货油舱区域有双壳的要求

××

能和我们详细说说么?


最新的MARPOL中有提到,但是还没有正式生效。如需要详细内容劳2您发邮件到yunfeng486@163.com
发表于 2006-5-9 00:37:16 | 显示全部楼层 来自 辽宁葫芦岛
原帖由 ×× 于 2005-12-8 18:35 发表
进入2006了,新接的油船燃油舱应该都是双壳了吧~这个内壳到底该是什么形式的呢?

想来有三种选择:

1,类hull,就是直接把hull向内偏移一定距离,这是我第一想到的,因为napa里这样做最简单,呵呵,懒啊,对设计来说,这种最简单,但施工起来应该挺复杂的

2,类货舱区内壳板,选择好一定斜率,然后就折吧,这种方法不好,很浪费舱容,原因大家都知道,折来折去就飞了,因为斜率不能变.而且船尾机舱区线型变化复杂,更是不好弄

3,类阶梯型,就是把燃油舱区域比如#30~#50,每三四个肋位分成一段,然后用平行于x轴的面在b平台和c平台折两折就够了,每段儿都这么弄,很像一个阶梯形,这样施工起来应该最简单吧,因为下料时,都是规矩的板,但刚才想到一个问题,一号燃油舱和二号燃油舱之间的舱壁结构蛮复杂的,这种形式的内壳仿佛并不能有效的减低施工难度。

不知道众位接触到的油船燃油舱内壳是什么样的


个人见解,多指教!
1,类,基本不可取。
2,类,我们有条船就是类似于这种结构的,只不过我们的船比较大,不是从货舱区内壳板处延伸过去的,而是隔了好几个肋位(例如,横舱壁在50#,内壳板在Y=18m,而燃油舱内壳从40#,Y=12m)。不知道小吨位的船,会有舱容的问题吗
3,类阶梯型,没必要这样,结构变复杂了,这样也不利于其他专业的布置吧!
 楼主| 发表于 2006-5-17 17:25:33 | 显示全部楼层 来自 浙江金华
嗯,是marpol的要求,还没生效,但我这里基本上都改双壳了

我之前遇到某厂的,他们建过这种,是采用的第一种
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